Do ministers believe pain for people and public services is the price of stability, asks Laura Kuenssberg.
It is clear right now that things are already tough in parts of our public services. A highly experienced NHS boss, not someone prone to hype, says they have "queues and queues and queues" in their A&E.
Health and education are, as a result of Thursday's Autumn Statement, in line for some extra cash to help with the pressures. But the long, long overdue reform of social care has been delayed again. On the panel is Tony Danker of business group the CBI, GMB union boss Gary Smith, and former professional footballer Chloe MorganYou can follow live in text and video from 08:00 here on the BBC News website or on TwitterOne senior minister told me the government believes public spending is still a "bit fatty" so there should be savings to find. But a former cabinet minister believes there isn't anything left to give.
What is certain is the next round of cuts comes after many years of restraint on spending and it looks like it is going to be harder for those running public services to do more with less and for many who rely on them, that could hurt.But what about the political pain?when Labour agrees with the overall premise that there is a hole in the public financesWith the end of Jeremy Corbyn and Liz Truss's leaderships Labour and the Tories are both in the mainstream of economic thinking now.
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